can dig into, okay, how do we best reach the audience? so we won't be doing that on the 30th with the plan. we want to make sure we have the audience right first and the detail behind that will follow and it might be constructive to spend some time on the 30th getting more ideas and examples and models from the policy makers, from the commission, the two commissions. that might be a constructive item for discussion. maybe we can preview some of the models that you're suggesting commissioner avalos, and see if there is a general agreement that that's the type of approach you would like to see, and then we can go back working with our consultant to develop a more targeted focused program given that feedback. thank you. >> thank you very much.